Razmena Studenata

[AVENDON]

Interesuje me da li je neko bio domacin nekom stranom studentu sa razmene?

Kakva su iskustva?

Da li je mozda neko isao u inostranstvo na razmenu?

[AVENDON]

Posto mi niko ne odgovara, evo sta sam nasao na NAPser-ovom sajtu!

UTISCI NASIH STUDENATA KOJI SU ISLI U INOSTRANSTVO:

Smilja Djuranovic, Nemacka, septembar 2005
Najveci deo vremena sam radila na Institutu za farmaceutsku i medicinsku hemiju. Radila sam sa postdiplomcima, a sav rad je u vezi otkrivanja novih supstanci sa potencijalnim antitumorskim dejstvom. Prvi put u zivotu sam usla u laboratoriju za rad sa celijskim kulturama (i radila sa istim). 2 puta sam isla u Berlin, a Berlin je predivan, i moze se dosta jeftinije proci sa studentskim legitimacijama npr. u muzejima. Simon (moj domacin, koji studira tamo a bio je u SCG na razmeni) me je vodio na ostrvo Ruegen. ja do tad nisam ni znala da Nemacka ima ostrva, a ispostavilo se da je ovo ostrvo njima kao neko fensi letovaliste, super je sredjeno, a priroda je fantasticna. Zaista nisam znala da je Nemacka toliko lepa. Treba iskoristiti sve studentske popuste! Zelim vam srecan put, i mudro birajte zemlje u koje necete bas moci da odete lako npr. na letovanje. Na kraju, sad kad delim svoj CV trazeci posao, vidim da nije mala stvar imati dokaz o praksi u Nemackoj i IPSF razmeni.


Bojan Stamatovic, Peru, oktobar 2005
I was working in the pharmacy atention with the patients! I was weighing their blood preasure, weight, high and giving them advices about using madicines and using a health food! I learned a lot of things about pharmacotherapy, nutrition and saw a lot of diferents between european and american pharmacy! I was traveling a lot with other too exchange students! I saw the most of the places in the Peru: Cajamarca, Huaraz, Trujollo, Lima, Machu Picchu, Lake Titikaka, Arequipa...We organized our tours by ourself! We were going out and having lot of fun! Just too pick the Peru and enjoy! I am waiting the day when I am going to comeback to Peru!
Marija Cabric, Slovenija, avgust 2005
Zivijo!
Ja sam bila u organizaciji IPSF-SEP-a na Farmaceutskom fakultetu u Ljubljani na Institutu za farmaceutsku tehnologiju gde su mi dodelili mentora (asistenta). Sama praksa nije bila mnogo teska. Videla i upoznala vecinu aparata i metoda (o kojima sam samo teoretski ucila na nasem fakultetu) bolje sam upoznala i sistem rada u laboratoriji i kako izgleda reseach kao i organizovanost njihovog fakulteta. Naravno tamo je stvarno sve veoma dobro organizovano i puno se radi i fakultet im je opremljen najsavremenijim uredjajim na kojima i studenti rade uglavnom diplomske radove ( koji su poput malog reseach-a) tako da sam upoznala i puno nasih kolega. Bila sam smestena u stanu studentkinje Farmacije i stvarno sam se osecala kao kod kuce i ona je bila super domacin. Upoznala sam puno ljudi i svako vece postoji neko desavanje od izlazaka, gledanja filmova, koncerata, kuglanja i raznih drugih aktivnosti kao i svakog vikenda se organizuju izleti po Sloveniji. S obzirom da je Slovenija mala uspela sa da je obidjem od mora, Maribora, Postojnske Jame do Bleda tako da sam svakog vikenda negde putovala .
Naravno da vam preporucujem Sloveniju, ali mislim da i u bilo koju zemlju da odete cete se lepo provesti, nauciti nesto novo i interesantno i upoznati i steci nove prijatelje, jer lepo je putovati, a to ova IPSF-SEP sigurno omogucava!!! Sve najbolje i zelim vam uspesnu razmenu.

Bojana Podgorac, Egipat, avgust 2005
We had training in pharmaceutical industry. We visited different departments of factory: solids department, liquids and semi-solid department, central packaging department and quality directorate. On every department one of employee explain us working procedure. When we arrived, student from SEP committee pick us up from airport, took us to hostel and everyday we had organized transportation by bus to factory where we had training. We met a lot of local students, they were very kind and we were together all the time during our stay there. This travel is unforgettable experience and I recommend to all pharmacy students to try to take participation in Student Exchange Program.

Milena Antic, Poljska, avgust 2005
I worked in pharmacy four days in a week, I visited a lot of places around Poland, I had great time ther with people I met. My emplyer was the only one at work who spoke well English. I was placed in yhe capital of Poland, Warsaw, so during our stay we visited a lot of interesting places around Warsaw, The national Park, Shopin's birth house, some castels and museums, one big pharmaceutical factory. Also we visited Krakow on the south of Poland and around Krakow - Salt mine and Auschwitz, On the north of Poland we visited Gdansk and Sopot on the cost of the Baltic sea. I am very satisfied with my exchange program, I met a lot of people, saw a lot of ineresting places, I saw how the Pharmacies function in Poland in general so I would advise other students to apply for this country.

avgust, Katalonija (Spanija), 2005
I worked in community pharmacy. I took part in every activity in pharmac : I helped my pharmacist to receive and store drugs, to work with patients and to do administrative work. I did a lot of sightseeing in Barcelona. It is one of the most beautiful cities in Europe with great architecture. There are a lot of museums, parks, fortress, theatres, monuments and I visited quite a bit of them. Also there are beautiful beaches near the very centre of the town and I often went to swim. I visited few more towns in Catalonia: Gerona, Tarragona, Sitges and holy mountain Montserrat. Most of that activities we ,students, organised on our own and we paid for all costs. Sometimes we got students discount for tickets, sometimes we didn't. Also the night life in Barcelona is very intensive and we often went to discos and pubs. Our contact persons took us to some characteristic Catalonian places: restaurants and fiesta, which took place on the streets of Barcelona.


Ivana Gluscevic, Potugalija, 2004
I worked in laboratory of pharmacognosy. We isolated different kinds of sugar from a Brasilian plant. The experiment was very interesting, and I improved my knowledge of work in laboratory. The professor was very friendly and patient. She taught me many things about Portugal, its history and culture. She was also curious to learn about my country.
During my exchange I made many friendships, with Portuguese and students from Spain, Poland, Macedonia. I had a really good time there. I had company to go out with at nights, and to Porto and Lisbon for weekends.
I was delighted with Portuguese. They were warm and friendly. Everybody wanted to help us and leave the best impression. They succeded, so I`m very glad to have my exchange done in Portugal. I reccomend it to other students.

Sisevic Danijela, Slovenija, 2004
I made some creams, solutions (including preparing under aseptic conditions), I arranged the medicaments,and I helped to the pharmacists, bringing the medicaments that were prescribed to the patients. I was accommodated in the students' dormitory, in a single room. Everything was perfect there, also as well as people from the dormitory's management.
They all were very,very nice to me,and we made an excellent cooperation. I learnt a lot more about pharmaceutical practice and pharmaceutical care, which is different than in my contry. This experience means me a lot, and I am very happy that I had an opportunity to be envolved in the programme like SEP is. 

UTISCI STRANIH STUDENATA KOJI SU BILI KOD NAS:

Juris Zakrevskis, Latvia, October 2005
The only recommendation for other students would be Do it! Take this chance for great experience and adventure! All efforts to reach it worth the experience you get! I am very happy that I got this possibility to make my student exchange program for two month in Belgrade, Serbia! =) I would like to thank you everyone who made my time unforgettable there! Volim vas! Vidimo se!   
Luz Maria Canet Antequera, Spain, October 2005.
Most of the things that I did were organised by SEP committee, but another things I did them because I wanted. I could visit National Theatre ( I was in a opera), Parlaments, Botanical Garden, Zoo, King´s Garden, the rivers, the most important garden in Belgrade, some museums... I think that every people who can do the exchange student must to do it! Now, I have another family in Belgrade because they are for me more than friends, and you could be very rich if you have a lot of friends in all the world like me. just do it   
Ioana Teodora, Romania, August 2005
I recommend Serbia and Montenegro to everybody.It's a beautiful and peaceful country,with nice people,a lot of fun and a great SEO.You will have any information you need by mail from her in time.   
Kristina Mikneviciute, Lithuania, July 2005
It is quite good organisedand I liked it very much. Serbian people are very friendly.
We had every information we needed and we had to do it by ourselves, but I think it was a good desicion of SEO, because everybody was able to choose that kind of activity he or she prefers.   
Dariusz Rozkiewicz, Poland, August 2005
I have only one final conclucion: go to Serbia to meet GREAT people and practice of your life !!! If only I could, I would give host organization (YUPSA and now their name is NAPSer) first prize for organizing us such a great stay and practice in Serbia!!!!
 
Moreno Almendros Mª Jesús, August 2005
I recommend others students they do this exchanges, you learn things, you know people, you speak other language, And I think Eastern countries like Serbia & Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Estonia, Letonia, Lituania, etc should be visited more because they are very beautiful. I suggest students choose this countries!   
Karpiuk Beata, Poland, August 2005
Every day after my practice in pharmacy I met with other exchange students and we visited Belgrade. I improved my skills in preparing remedies and learnt a lot about workings of serbian pharmacy. When it was hot we went swimming and sunbathing to Ada lake! In the evenings we met with local students and we went to pubs. I spent in Serbia a great time! I met wonderful people and visited a lot of beautiful places! So if you have a chance to go there...don't hestitate!:)
 
Keon Green, Jamaica, July 2005
My trip to Serbia was very enlightening and most importantly I achieved my goal, gained insight into Industrial Pharmacy and experienced a foreign culture. This experience has enabled me to become more open-minded to my profession as a pharmacist. I recommend that other students take advantage of such a lifetime opportunity that IPSF offers. Serbia is a unique country that provides a life long experience that is worthwhile. I am sincerely grateful for the experience that I had. Thanks to everyone who helped to make this possible.


 
Paz Perez, Spain, July 2005
My final conclusion is that I don't have enough words to describe it, Serbian people were phenomenal in all the aspects, they worried about my and the others. They made us feel like at home. At pharmacy I was wrapped up and loved. They taught me all that was in their hands. In definitive, an unforgettable experience.
 
Isidoro García Miguel, Spain, July 2005
I was in a house with other four students. The house was near the faculty an no more than 20 minuts to the center by bus, and my working place were no much further. Everything we did was organised by SEP committee and we did a lot of activities: rafting, bumji jumping, karts racing, beach volley, barbecues, dinners, partys. I want to go there other time, people is really friendly and everything is OK. Actually I'm recommending people who want to do exchange programe to go to Serbia and Montenegro.   
Huebner Simon Emanuel, Germany, March 2005

Serbian SEO cares very very good for me all time, and I am still in friendly contact with her. I learned about working together in a group, with people from different nations. It was a realy great experience for me to work for a Prof who is interested in my results, and to have the possibility to do in practise what I have learned teoretical before.

 
Elena Padilla Cruz & Ana Barcenas, Spain, July 2004

WeI think that the most important feel its sense that you where at home,and in my case I felt it. In fact peaple from there were so kind and frienly with us.
The social life was the best!!The partys, barbacoas, karts...and of course the Beer!!! And you can't remember the sense of be boring!!!It was fantastic!!!
The place its completly different that you can imagin,you cant listen the oppinion of peaple that never been there!!beause itll be the opposite of the true. The food, beers, ice-creams, internet, coffee ...are so cheap!!!   
Hedvika Kozakova & Irena Kopicova, Czech Republic - July 2004,
Three times love Serbia :-))))
We spent the first week partly on sightseeing in Belgrade, partly on visiting the local Faculty of Pharmacy. There we saw the laboratories, we were introduced to the system of studies and we could admire the botanical garden situated inside the building of the faculty.
We made plenty of trips to the surroundings. We visited many interesting natural places, for example the narrow railway "Sargan Eight" in Mokra Gora, the cave in Potpe c , the National Park of Tara, old village in Sirogojno, etc. We exchanged experiences with other students from various countries of the Europe. Every evening some special party took place where we had the chance to acquaint ourselves with their national music, dishes and dances. It was very funny.
During the third week we returned to Belgrade, we rented a car and made a trip to the south part of Serbia. We saw lots of monasteries, fortresses and towns with their places of interest. The weather was warm and pleasant, people were nice and friendly. We are very glad for having chosen to visit this country of the former Yugoslavia. We spent there an amazing month, full not only of new experience but also of fun and entertainment, we found many new friends, maybe colleagues in the future.

[Natasa]

Hvala za prosledjivanje informacija. Stvarno nam je bilo ludo i nezaboravno dok su stranci bili ovde.
Evo nesto vise o tome sta je IPSF i sta i tu radimo

Tokom svake godine vise od 700 studenata iz svih delova ucestvuju u SEP-u, sto ga i cini jedinstvenim. Daje neverovatnu, jedinstvenu mogucnost studentima/kinjama farmacije, lcanovima IPSF-s da provedu neko vreme u stranoj zemlji svog izbora. Tokom perioda razmene besplatan smestaj je ponudjen, a negde cak i "dzeparac". Svaka zemlja ima sovje specificnosti i drazi koje organizuje kao domacin.

Period razmene zavisi od zemlje do zemlje, i moze biti od 1 do 3 meseca. Vecina razmena se desava tokom leta, od maja do septembra.

Tokom boravka u nekoj stranoj zemlji, u okviru projekta zahteva pohadjanje strucne prakse. Mogucnosti za obavljanje prakse su razliciti i obuhvataju : apoteku, bolnicu, farmaceutske kompanije, privatne zdravstvene agencije, industriju i rad na univerzitetu. U zavisnosti od Vaseg interesa, kao studenta koji ucestvuje u razmeni u mogucnosti ste da upotpunite svoje znanje u odredjenoj oblasti farmacije. Nakon zavrsene prakse svaki student dobija seritifkat IPSFa.

Program za razmenu studenata pomaze studentima na razmeni da postanu bolji profesionalci daje im sansu da upotpune svoje znanje. Ali ne samo to, daje im mogucnost da upoznaju druge kulture, obicaje i ljude. A, da ne pominjeno zivotna prijateljstva i predivne momente na mestima o kojima ste sanjali

Veliki broj studenata dolazi na razmenu tokom leta, na period od mesec dana. Nije obavezno da se ostaje mesec dana, ali u tom periodu NAPSer obezbedjuje besplatan smestaj, strucnu praksu i bogat drustveni program.

Odabir studenata koji ce doci u NAPSer je zadatak SEO-a, a u slucaju industrije odabir zavisi od mentora koji ce obucavati studente.

Detaljne iformacije o zemljama i njihovim ponudama mozete naci na sajtu IPSF , u delu pod nazivom "country information". O detaljima konkurisanja nasih studenata vise na www.napser.org
Za sve informacije, ili pitanja mozete se obratiti koordinatoru za razmenu - SEO (Student Exchange Officer) na mail: [email protected]

pozdrav
Natasa

[MaliZmaj]

e a gde moze da se sazna malo vise o toj studentskoj razmeni?
i koji su uslovi ?   :PI

[AVENDON]

Imas sve potrebne informacije na sajtu NAPSera     www.napser.org

[ivilija]

A STA JE SA SMEROM MB?

[yeca]

dok se ne ukljuèite u akciju neæe ni¹ta biti 
i vi ste ovde ravnopravni - i vi ste studenti farmacije  :`

[AVENDON]

A STA JE SA SMEROM MB?

Nije mi jasno na sta mislis???

[ivilija]

Mislim na to da nisu dovoljno pokrivene oblasti rada koje spadaju u nas domen(npr. klinika,centri za kontrolu trovanja i sl.).
moja prijateljica koja putuje u Australiju (razmena) ,inace je MB smer, je prvo dobila da radi praksu u apoteci,a verujte mi nama kolegama sa smera to nista ne znaci,jer apoteka nije nas domen i ne interesuje nas,tako da bi trebalo malo vise paznje da se obrati i na druge domene i aspekte pomaganja pacijentima osim izdavanja i pravljenja lekova npr. biohemijske analize,dijagnoza trovanja,GEM...//http:////

[Natasa]

cao svima.
oba smera su ravnopravna i to mogu odgovorno da tvrdim i da nema manje-vise poena i slicnoga. Smer se ne gleda vec ostale stvari koje su od znacaja. Ne vidim zasto bi se i pravila razlika izmedju smerova u bilo kom smislu? Svi studenti mogu i treba da konkurisu, ako iz zanima

Moram ipak da iskomentarisem kako funkcionise razmena i da nije bas tako jednostavno reci "obratite malo vise paznju".

Kada udjete u sistem razmene sami birate koje vas oblasti interesuju. U zavisnosti od zemlje koje ste odabrali (birate 3, a smesteni budete u jednu od te tri) trazi se odgovarajuca praksa. Iako je razmena ciji je nas fakultet clan SVETSKA i STRUCNA imajte na umu da to rade vrlo entuzijacni studenti od krvi i mesa, kojima to nije placeno i koji to rade u slobodno vreme, posle ucenja.
Ako ona nije dobila ono sto je specificno trazila, nalazi se praksa koja najblize moze da odgovara. Student moze uvek da ne prihvati to i odluci se za druge dve zemlje. Sva sreca pa Marina itekako moze da dodje na svetski kongres farmaceuta, sto je jako velika stvar i neponovljiva.

Takodje ove godine nakon velikog napora (s obzirom da nas fakultet nije priznat, i nismo prosli nikakvu Bolonjsku deklaraciju) i truda tokom generacija uspelo se da nasi studenti itekako idu za zemlje gde ne bi imali sanse. Prvo zato sto im je lepo uradjen aplikacioni formular (jer mi inace nismo nista imali od iskustva i strucnih radova tokom studiranja zas razliku od kolega u inostranstvu) i zato sto se Srbija-NAPSer trudi da ne bude poslednja rupa na svirali. Tako da ove godine studenti idu za vrlo vrlo razlicite zemlje - od Perua, USA, citave Evrope, do Nepala, Indonezije i Australije.

Slazem se da sistem uvek moze da napreduje, i zato se i radi punom parom. Sve predloge i konstruktive kritike vise je nego dobro da postoje. Mnogo toga je uradjeno sto nije vidljivo (u infrastrukturi sistema je). Izmedju ostalog zato je i pokrenuto saradnja sa institutima sa fakulteta koji su normalni flexibilni koji mogu da ponude praksu strnim studentima. Isto se trude i ostale svetske asocijacije u okviru IPSF-a.

Iskreno se nadam da ce sistem moci dalje da raste - jer ne interesuje bas sve iz DF apoteka - naprotiv, veci broj ljudi je zainteresovan za rad u industriji i kao klinicki farmaceut. Ono sto je divno je videti da ce najveci broj studenata koji ove godine ide na praksu raditi van apoteke na jako zanimljivim mestima. Ali jako cesto nije apoteka samo ono na sta smo mi navikli u Srbiji.

nadam se da sam odgovorila bar na neka pitanja

pozdrav svima po ovoj vrucini

[ivilija]

znam da su oba smera podjednako zastipljena sto se tice razmene i to je ok samo me nisi razumela na sta mislim,a mislila sam na prosirenje oblasti rada(ponavljam se ali moram:centri za kontrolu trovanja,onkoloski instituti...).Znam da su za sve to odgovorni studenti koji to rade u svoje slobodno vreme i da ih niko ne placa za to i da ne zavisi sve od njih,ali ja sam samo dala neke predloge koji bi mogli da udju u razmatranje,jer ipak nas smer nije dovoljno pokriven.
Tebi Natasa svaka cast na posvecenosti i organizovanju!

[pereca]

Ne zaboravite da su EPSA i IPSF udruzenja studenata farmacije, a na farmaceutskim fakultetima se retko gde nalazi neki smer kao sto je nas MB. Mislim da je to razlog zasto nam kolege koje koordiniraju ovom razmenom manje nude ili uopste ne nude praksu za med.biohemicare. Takvi vidovi prakse su vise zastupljeni na razmenama studenata medicine.

[trinity]

Mislim da to sta ces ti da radis na razmeni ne zavisi od nas nego od organizacije u ciji zemlju ides
Svaka zemlja ima neka svoja pravila i uslove sta nudi za praksu i to se sve zna pre nego sto izaberes zemlju
Ne mozemo mi da uticemo na Francusku, Spaniju, Portugaliju...
Mozemo jedino sto i radimo da ih posavetujemo
A sto je i pereca rekla tamo je MB poseban fakultet tako da je i to problem
Mozda bi mogli biohemicari kad biraju drzavu da se vode time gde za njih ima adekvatne prakse, pa ne bitno koja je zemlja u pitanju

[Natasa]

Upravo tako trinity. Thanks!
Kada god posotji opcija da se radi van apoteke, to ondah grabimo za srpske studente...za sada uspeva fino

[Hellen]

ZA IVILIJU! U prethodnom tekstu o iskustvima studenata, Smilja Djuranovic i Bojana Podgorac su biohemicari....eto ti odgovora!!!